Reader comments: Obama, Clinton appeal together for Dem unity
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GK from England | 1:28 p.m. June 27, 2008
These two foolish Clowns should not be taken seriously by the American people when it comes to politics and power. It is a joke that they have even got this far! They have achieved this only by the votes of naive people who have either been misled by their deceitful rhetoric or by people who clearly want to bring America down.
GK from the USA | 1:45 p.m. June 27, 2008
After almost 8 years of having an incompetent buffoon in the White House, it will be nice to have a real president run this country. And that isn't John McBush McCain.
TH from Midvale | 2:30 p.m. June 27, 2008
Obama and Clinton can add John McCain and Mitt Romney to their "Dem unity" since both McCain and Romney are liberals. Obama and Clinton can also thank all their supporters who crossed over in open primaries and gave the liberal candidates a vote.
Don't blame me - I voted for Mike Huckabee.
Don't blame me - I voted for Mike Huckabee.
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independent | 2:35 p.m. June 27, 2008
after watching this two running agains't each other and now they look like old chumps, I have the believe Obama doesn't have enough experience to run this country. His polical agenda still is not clear, he is not very specific how he is going to steer this country out of the recesion, how he is going to face all this mess that the Bush administration is going to leave to the next president. Mr Obama is not very clear, and I still wondering about his opponent republican John MacCain, Can he come back from behing and convince the electoral people that he can be a strong president and be different than President Bush. As an Independent I will be watching very close this two and I hopelly made up my mind with the right candidate.
Anonymous | 2:41 p.m. June 27, 2008
Can anyone tell me why in the name of heaven should I pay for Clinton's campaign debt? Nobody pays for my debts, why do I have to pay for hers? 10 million dollars... my gosh... how was she supposed to pay if elected president? I guess by favors?
The B of M clearly states that a leader shouldn't make the people support that person. I know I will get a lot of criticism about it, I don't care, but an honest leader don't make that kind of plea.
If these so-called leaders had ever contributed to something, they did for their image and their own reward.
Shame on them!
The B of M clearly states that a leader shouldn't make the people support that person. I know I will get a lot of criticism about it, I don't care, but an honest leader don't make that kind of plea.
If these so-called leaders had ever contributed to something, they did for their image and their own reward.
Shame on them!
So what? | 5:46 p.m. June 27, 2008
Nothing can bring people together more than the though of four more years of republican rule. What's do you expect?
bee-line to the left | 5:55 p.m. June 27, 2008
Republicans with their nasty far-right philosophy are toast for at least a decade.
Keep shooting your fascist mouths off conservatives.
It makes it easier and easier for the country to make a bee-line to the left.
Keep shooting your fascist mouths off conservatives.
It makes it easier and easier for the country to make a bee-line to the left.
A True Republican Here Folk's | 6:05 p.m. June 27, 2008
I don't believe either of them for one second.
"The reason Obama needs Hillary by his side is that so she is not standing behind him where he can't see the knife."
Now...... that's the truth.
"The reason Obama needs Hillary by his side is that so she is not standing behind him where he can't see the knife."
Now...... that's the truth.
Anonymous | 6:37 p.m. June 27, 2008
When you speak of lack of experience it's good to reflect on the fact that Obama has more government experience (11 years) than:
• Ronald Reagan - 8 years as governor of CA
• Woodrow Wilson - 2 years as governor of NJ
• Theodore Roosevelt - 4 years combined experience as Asst. Sec. of Navy and VP
and
• George W. Bush - 6 years as governor of TX
• Ronald Reagan - 8 years as governor of CA
• Woodrow Wilson - 2 years as governor of NJ
• Theodore Roosevelt - 4 years combined experience as Asst. Sec. of Navy and VP
and
• George W. Bush - 6 years as governor of TX
John McCain is inexperienced | 7:08 p.m. June 27, 2008
Anonymous is correct. Obama has more experience than Ronald Reagan, Woodrow Wilson, George W. Bush, Bill Clinton especially in the area of foreign policy and more experience than Theodore Roosevelt in the number of years he has served in government.
John McCain's lack of experience especially in terms of foreign policy is shocking and what little experience he has is in relation to his service on the Senate Armed Services Committee and as a Captain in the United States Navy.
We must not forget that Obama will have more foreign policy experience than our previous two Presidents had when they took office and that he will have more experience than John McCain when he takes office.
A vote for McCain is a vote for someone whose only experience is in the Navy and the Senate. He has done nothing outside of these and has never served in State Government. We should vote for someone with a broad range of experience instead of experience that only allows them to serve on an Armed Services Committee. Even Hillary Clinton is appointed to this minor committee and she had no experience in foreign policy.
John McCain's lack of experience especially in terms of foreign policy is shocking and what little experience he has is in relation to his service on the Senate Armed Services Committee and as a Captain in the United States Navy.
We must not forget that Obama will have more foreign policy experience than our previous two Presidents had when they took office and that he will have more experience than John McCain when he takes office.
A vote for McCain is a vote for someone whose only experience is in the Navy and the Senate. He has done nothing outside of these and has never served in State Government. We should vote for someone with a broad range of experience instead of experience that only allows them to serve on an Armed Services Committee. Even Hillary Clinton is appointed to this minor committee and she had no experience in foreign policy.
to anon 6:37 & JM is inexp | 10:58 p.m. June 27, 2008
Well Obama has only been a US Senator for a couple years and when he was a State Senator he voted present over 130 times (that means not voting). Sure he is Chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Commitee on European affairs but he has done didley squat with that position. Actually they havn't held any policy hearing since Obama took over that position. So going by facts, when Obama has a job he neglects it. Not really a person we can count on to be President and not really a person with tons of experience. You actually have to do the job to get experience. Years holding the position mean jack when you don't do anything.
Get your facts straight | 11:20 p.m. June 27, 2008
Obama voting "present" in the Illinois Legislature means many things since it's a procedural vote.
Illinois Senator Bill Black (Republican) said "to insinuate the ‘present’ vote means you’re indecisive, that you don’t have the courage to hold public office, that’s a stretch. But, it’s good politics," He also said "It’s always been a campaign gimmick, really."
John Fritchey (Democrat) said "The ‘present’ vote is used, especially by more thoughtful legislators, not as a means of avoiding taking a position on an issue, but as a means of signaling concerns about an issue."
Senator John Cullerton (Democrat) said "There’s not one Republican, there’s not one member in the history of the General Assembly who is still alive today who would criticize voting ‘present.’ There’s not one member of the General Assembly who’s alive today who has ever not voted ‘present’."
Obama in defending his "present" votes said about a bill he had sponsored "after I had sponsored it and helped to get it passed, it turned out that there was a legal provision in it that was problematic and needed to be fixed so that it wouldn’t be struck down."
Obama's "present" vote demonstrates his willingness to deal with substantive issues.
Illinois Senator Bill Black (Republican) said "to insinuate the ‘present’ vote means you’re indecisive, that you don’t have the courage to hold public office, that’s a stretch. But, it’s good politics," He also said "It’s always been a campaign gimmick, really."
John Fritchey (Democrat) said "The ‘present’ vote is used, especially by more thoughtful legislators, not as a means of avoiding taking a position on an issue, but as a means of signaling concerns about an issue."
Senator John Cullerton (Democrat) said "There’s not one Republican, there’s not one member in the history of the General Assembly who is still alive today who would criticize voting ‘present.’ There’s not one member of the General Assembly who’s alive today who has ever not voted ‘present’."
Obama in defending his "present" votes said about a bill he had sponsored "after I had sponsored it and helped to get it passed, it turned out that there was a legal provision in it that was problematic and needed to be fixed so that it wouldn’t be struck down."
Obama's "present" vote demonstrates his willingness to deal with substantive issues.
McCain doesn't show up to vote | 11:28 p.m. June 27, 2008
Let's talk about the fact that John McCain has been neglecting his responsibilities. For example, McCain has missed over half of all Senate votes from January to the end of May. So we know from these facts that WHEN JOHN MCCAIN HAS A JOB THAT HE NEGLECTS IT.
In his years in the Senate John McCain has accomplished almost nothing and his lack of experience is something that we must not let drop. Obama has done almost more on foreign policy in his few years in the Senate than John McCain has done in decades.
In his years in the Senate John McCain has accomplished almost nothing and his lack of experience is something that we must not let drop. Obama has done almost more on foreign policy in his few years in the Senate than John McCain has done in decades.
Interloper | 1:22 a.m. June 28, 2008
Another reason Sen. Obama sometimes voted 'present' in the Illinois legislation was because the deadlocked parties played a years long game of 'gotcha.' Each would submit faulty bills just to put the other side on record of having voted against something broadly described, such as 'helping the environment' or 'reducing taxes,' when in fact, that might not be the main effect of the bill at all. Sen. Obama refused to play along, voting 'present' on 'gotcha' legislation from both sides.
His career in the legislature ended in success because he became the legislator willing to hear both sides of the aisle and hammer out compromises. Sen. Obama is credited with being a major reason the deadlock ended.
His career in the legislature ended in success because he became the legislator willing to hear both sides of the aisle and hammer out compromises. Sen. Obama is credited with being a major reason the deadlock ended.
Re Get your facts strait | 2:21 a.m. June 28, 2008
You quoted Democrats defending Obama and a Republican who calls it a gimmick. All Obama was doing was political posturing, there is no courage in that. When you hold a job you are expected to do it even if it means making hard or unpopular decisions. That is why you are ELECTED. Anyways it was Sen Clinton and Sen Edwards who called out Obama on his present votes during a debate.
"Clinton also points out that Obama was the lone "present" vote on legislation allowing the victims of rape and other sex crimes to have their court records sealed. Obama explains now that he had questions about its constitutionality, although the law has never been struck down by the courts."
Obama also voted "present" on legislation making it easier to send juveniles to adult court. He said in debate that he felt the measure violated an agreement, reached after an overhaul of the juvenile justice system a year earlier, to wait on further changes until the new system had been reviewed.
But he did not explain why he wasn't simply voting "no."
No courage, just excuses. Which we know Obama is full of.
"Clinton also points out that Obama was the lone "present" vote on legislation allowing the victims of rape and other sex crimes to have their court records sealed. Obama explains now that he had questions about its constitutionality, although the law has never been struck down by the courts."
Obama also voted "present" on legislation making it easier to send juveniles to adult court. He said in debate that he felt the measure violated an agreement, reached after an overhaul of the juvenile justice system a year earlier, to wait on further changes until the new system had been reviewed.
But he did not explain why he wasn't simply voting "no."
No courage, just excuses. Which we know Obama is full of.
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